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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sandy,
A couple of things stand out in your post.  I would definitely keep an eye on the fish load here and if needed, be sure to remove what&#039;s necessary to keep the pond balanced.  The suggested ratio of fish per gallons is noted in the article above.

Also, your filtration system will certainly help a great deal once that&#039;s going.  Same thing with desired plants.  Often in the spring, these aspects of pond management aren&#039;t in fill swing yet, while the fish may already be increasing nutrient loads.

As the desired plants come along and get into full bloom, and your filtration is up and running full steam, those will surely help with the balance.

Keep in mind, these beneficial things, along with other steps still may not overcome an issue of overstocked fish for the pond size.  At some point, there&#039;s no way around the fact that a pond of 4500 gallons will only hold so many fish safely...so that&#039;s always a key thing to keep an eye on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sandy,<br />
A couple of things stand out in your post.  I would definitely keep an eye on the fish load here and if needed, be sure to remove what&#8217;s necessary to keep the pond balanced.  The suggested ratio of fish per gallons is noted in the article above.</p>
<p>Also, your filtration system will certainly help a great deal once that&#8217;s going.  Same thing with desired plants.  Often in the spring, these aspects of pond management aren&#8217;t in fill swing yet, while the fish may already be increasing nutrient loads.</p>
<p>As the desired plants come along and get into full bloom, and your filtration is up and running full steam, those will surely help with the balance.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, these beneficial things, along with other steps still may not overcome an issue of overstocked fish for the pond size.  At some point, there&#8217;s no way around the fact that a pond of 4500 gallons will only hold so many fish safely&#8230;so that&#8217;s always a key thing to keep an eye on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark. We have a 3 year old 4500 gallon  pond with two waterfalls.  We started out with 4 koi and added 2 more last year...but we also got a few goldfish/koi from someone who was moving.   They multiplied like crazy and now we probably have 35 fish.  Now that winter is over, I see even more tiny ones!!  But I also see a lot of hair algae already, and we don&#039;t even have the filtration system working yet.  Your suggestions PLEASE!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark. We have a 3 year old 4500 gallon  pond with two waterfalls.  We started out with 4 koi and added 2 more last year&#8230;but we also got a few goldfish/koi from someone who was moving.   They multiplied like crazy and now we probably have 35 fish.  Now that winter is over, I see even more tiny ones!!  But I also see a lot of hair algae already, and we don&#8217;t even have the filtration system working yet.  Your suggestions PLEASE!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cindy,
I&#039;ll throw my two cents in here.

Your pond is large enough to serve as a good home for a lot of fish.  Overstock is likely not a problem here.  It&#039;s hard to say why you  have algae other than to say whatever nutrients that are supporting it&#039;s growth simply aren&#039;t being removed or balanced out.

Fish die off is always a concern, and it&#039;s not a bad idea to check on oxygen levels and ammonia levels just to see where these are.

With algae though, I would make sure the filter system you have is adequate for the job at hand.  Something easier to work with is supplementation with some beneficial bacteria at the start of every season.  And particularly in the summer, you should try to add some helpful plants to the pond.  Floaters that can help shade the pond and consume some of the nutrients that algae would feed on, might help.  

Koi can sometimes get to eating at these, but it&#039;s worth a try to see if you can bring about a balance to the pond.  Once you&#039;re able to do this, algae will likely reduce or go away completely on it&#039;s own.

Just a few ideas to pursue as we move into spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cindy,<br />
I&#8217;ll throw my two cents in here.</p>
<p>Your pond is large enough to serve as a good home for a lot of fish.  Overstock is likely not a problem here.  It&#8217;s hard to say why you  have algae other than to say whatever nutrients that are supporting it&#8217;s growth simply aren&#8217;t being removed or balanced out.</p>
<p>Fish die off is always a concern, and it&#8217;s not a bad idea to check on oxygen levels and ammonia levels just to see where these are.</p>
<p>With algae though, I would make sure the filter system you have is adequate for the job at hand.  Something easier to work with is supplementation with some beneficial bacteria at the start of every season.  And particularly in the summer, you should try to add some helpful plants to the pond.  Floaters that can help shade the pond and consume some of the nutrients that algae would feed on, might help.  </p>
<p>Koi can sometimes get to eating at these, but it&#8217;s worth a try to see if you can bring about a balance to the pond.  Once you&#8217;re able to do this, algae will likely reduce or go away completely on it&#8217;s own.</p>
<p>Just a few ideas to pursue as we move into spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a 15,000 gal. pond with 7 tiers of falls. The falls are not run constantly as to the expense of running it. However, we do run irration constantly including the winter months and have had a problem with algae (string) in the summer killing some of the fish.  We have about 20 koi and goldfish no larger than 6 inches.  It is a challenge to keep it clean in the summer months.  Any suggestions?
Cindy in RI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a 15,000 gal. pond with 7 tiers of falls. The falls are not run constantly as to the expense of running it. However, we do run irration constantly including the winter months and have had a problem with algae (string) in the summer killing some of the fish.  We have about 20 koi and goldfish no larger than 6 inches.  It is a challenge to keep it clean in the summer months.  Any suggestions?<br />
Cindy in RI</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christine,

Much will depend on how large your fish are in inches.  12 Koi isn&#039;t necessarily a lot but again, how big have they gotten, and how much bigger might they get.  That would be the important question in terms of whether your pond can provide a comfortable home for them.

If you have an algae issue, again, fish can have an effect.  They may not be the only thing but they need to be considered.  Work as best you can to keep a balance in the pond using plants (if possible), beneficial bacteria, and good filtration.  That&#039;s the ideal way to keep algae in check.

And thank you Mark...you&#039;re correct, growth must be taken into account with fish.  Just because you may have the same amount as last year doesn&#039;t mean their influence can&#039;t increase through growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christine,</p>
<p>Much will depend on how large your fish are in inches.  12 Koi isn&#8217;t necessarily a lot but again, how big have they gotten, and how much bigger might they get.  That would be the important question in terms of whether your pond can provide a comfortable home for them.</p>
<p>If you have an algae issue, again, fish can have an effect.  They may not be the only thing but they need to be considered.  Work as best you can to keep a balance in the pond using plants (if possible), beneficial bacteria, and good filtration.  That&#8217;s the ideal way to keep algae in check.</p>
<p>And thank you Mark&#8230;you&#8217;re correct, growth must be taken into account with fish.  Just because you may have the same amount as last year doesn&#8217;t mean their influence can&#8217;t increase through growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark N</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark

Right you are on the amount of fish contributing to algae problems. One thing pond owners forget to consider is also the future growth of the fish in their water fish ratio.
Ponds should only hold half the allowed fish lenth/water ratio to allow for the future fish growth. Koi can often grow 1&quot; to 2&quot; each year in most regions and more in the warmer regions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>Right you are on the amount of fish contributing to algae problems. One thing pond owners forget to consider is also the future growth of the fish in their water fish ratio.<br />
Ponds should only hold half the allowed fish lenth/water ratio to allow for the future fish growth. Koi can often grow 1&#8243; to 2&#8243; each year in most regions and more in the warmer regions.</p>
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		<title>By: CHRISTINE</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>CHRISTINE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MARK  I  HAVE  2500 GALLONS  OF  WATER  AND  12  KOI IN  THE  POND THEY  ARE  FIVE  YEARS  OLD  NOW.I  CAN  SEND  YOU  PICTURES.THANK  YOU  FOR  THE  MAIL  CHRISTINE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MARK  I  HAVE  2500 GALLONS  OF  WATER  AND  12  KOI IN  THE  POND THEY  ARE  FIVE  YEARS  OLD  NOW.I  CAN  SEND  YOU  PICTURES.THANK  YOU  FOR  THE  MAIL  CHRISTINE.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mary,
From a pond management perspective I would probably try to lessen the fish load sooner rather than later.  But ideally it would be nice if you knew someone who could take some of these extra fish on with a pond start up or something, and it might be a tough time of year for you to do that depending on where you live.

I would at least start thinking about how you want to manage this before things warm up where you are.  It will help keep the fish that you do have healthier and happier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary,<br />
From a pond management perspective I would probably try to lessen the fish load sooner rather than later.  But ideally it would be nice if you knew someone who could take some of these extra fish on with a pond start up or something, and it might be a tough time of year for you to do that depending on where you live.</p>
<p>I would at least start thinking about how you want to manage this before things warm up where you are.  It will help keep the fish that you do have healthier and happier.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Glenn,

Usually with larger ponds environmental factors play a great role than the fish do.  This is not to say that a fish population couldn&#039;t get too dense in a pond like yours but obviously there is a lot more room to play with.

If you have an odor coming off the pond, that&#039;s usually indicative of a build up of decomposing organic matter at the bottom of the pond.  Most often this is leaf debris or other matter that&#039;s now turned rotten.  I would suggest this is the root of your algae problem.

Aeration is probably helping as did the spheres.  So much depends on how much build up is there.  If it&#039;s a lot, it may take time for this to lessen with periodic use of beneficial bacteria and aeration.

One thing you wouldn&#039;t want to do of course is to kill existing algae off with a chemical. Then it will just sink to the bottom and add to the decay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Glenn,</p>
<p>Usually with larger ponds environmental factors play a great role than the fish do.  This is not to say that a fish population couldn&#8217;t get too dense in a pond like yours but obviously there is a lot more room to play with.</p>
<p>If you have an odor coming off the pond, that&#8217;s usually indicative of a build up of decomposing organic matter at the bottom of the pond.  Most often this is leaf debris or other matter that&#8217;s now turned rotten.  I would suggest this is the root of your algae problem.</p>
<p>Aeration is probably helping as did the spheres.  So much depends on how much build up is there.  If it&#8217;s a lot, it may take time for this to lessen with periodic use of beneficial bacteria and aeration.</p>
<p>One thing you wouldn&#8217;t want to do of course is to kill existing algae off with a chemical. Then it will just sink to the bottom and add to the decay.</p>
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		<title>By: GLENN CASSELL</title>
		<link>http://pondalgaesolutions.org/2009/02/11/too-many-fish/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>GLENN CASSELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pond is about 200&#039; X 150&#039; and has an average depth of 5&#039;.I have no real accurate way of measuring the number of fish but I do know there are 15-20 White Amure (type of Carp)w/an average lenght of 25&quot;. There are also somewhere between 20 -50 catfish that vary in lenght from 6&#039; to 16&#039;. There are a few Largemouth Bass but not sure how to even estimate how many. We did catch on this past year that was 21&#039;. of course there are some miscellaneous  small fish. I have tried planting water lilies and they flourish for about a year and then they &quot;disappear&quot;. Even the roots are gone. (?) I do have an areator and do have some algea problem. I did use your &quot;Aquaspheres&quot; last year and was able to keep the pond relative clear. It does have an odor and is cetainly not something that you could swim in. The oond is totally Spring fed. Ant ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pond is about 200&#8242; X 150&#8242; and has an average depth of 5&#8242;.I have no real accurate way of measuring the number of fish but I do know there are 15-20 White Amure (type of Carp)w/an average lenght of 25&#8243;. There are also somewhere between 20 -50 catfish that vary in lenght from 6&#8242; to 16&#8242;. There are a few Largemouth Bass but not sure how to even estimate how many. We did catch on this past year that was 21&#8242;. of course there are some miscellaneous  small fish. I have tried planting water lilies and they flourish for about a year and then they &#8220;disappear&#8221;. Even the roots are gone. (?) I do have an areator and do have some algea problem. I did use your &#8220;Aquaspheres&#8221; last year and was able to keep the pond relative clear. It does have an odor and is cetainly not something that you could swim in. The oond is totally Spring fed. Ant ideas?</p>
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